The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

[HurrianFam]

most likely it is an admixture related to wshg, since the satanic sample is on the extreme side of the wedge of the ehg cluster, closest to wshg. very interesting

You've made too big of a circle for EHG. 
-The blue diamonds on the far left are WHG
-The upright triangles on the right (the cluster that includes SJG001) are EHG
-The sideways triangles between these two groups are Ukraine Neolithic and Ukraine Mesolithic.

[Арсен]

Here's what else I managed to see, a cluster of ane and ttk
relative to the ane samples, the wshg samples go up, that is, the wedge that goes up also, in addition to ehg, may additionally mean an Asian mix, the one that is associated with haplo Q, the admixture that is in the samples of Botai, Stepnoy Maikop, Kumsai, among the native American Indians, etc.

[RCO]

I wonder about this "light green color" in Satanai, what kind of mixture does he mean by it? Is it something like ancient northern Eurasians or the same mixture that was in the steppe Maykop, associated with wshg, or tutkaul?

ANE also found in Siberians and Native Americans !

https://youtu.be/yt6Jsn-0ros?t=1697[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt6Jsn-0ros][/url]

[Арсен]

I wonder about this "light green color" in Satanai, what kind of mixture does he mean by it? Is it something like ancient northern Eurasians or the same mixture that was in the steppe Maykop, associated with wshg, or tutkaul?

ANE also found in Siberians and Native Americans !

https://youtu.be/yt6Jsn-0ros?t=1697[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt6Jsn-0ros][/url]

yes I know, and this admixture of the steppe Maykop is just related to that of the Native Americans

[HurrianFam]

Flipped Lazaridis' PCA and juxtaposed it with Ghalichi's. This is super shoddy, and I'm sorry for spamming the thread with screenshots, but it seemed relevant.
   
   

[Jafety]

What do you think? Steppe Eneolithic outlier West is in a position relatively similar to Core Yamnaya? Or between that and the Nalchik Intermediate diamonds? It would make sense to find R1b-L23 among these

[Jafety]

Arsen, do you have a guess what/where KHB003 could be? I assume you know Ciscaucasian geography better than any of us here...

[Арсен]

Arsen, do you have a guess what/where KHB003 could be? I assume you know Ciscaucasian geography better than any of us here...

to be honest I don't know, most likely it's somewhere in the Krasnodar region in the Western Caucasus, I don't understand what this abbreviation means, but from the mixture it's clear that it's more or less "pure" relative to Satanai, which means that the Satanai population either didn't take part in the steppe Eneolithic or its contribution was minimal

[CowboyHG]

A lot of archaeologists from former Soviet areas had a big fixation with middle eastern migrations directly into Eastern Europe , waves upon waves 
Eg https://arheologia.com.ua/index.php/arhe...e/view/302
I think most of these are outlandish, and are probably due unrecognised EHG impact
It was often thought that Crimean HGs would be near eastern but they turned out EHG

In case anyone is interested in that Mesolithic individual from crimea
It’s from https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...512v1.full

Lesnik cave. Looks EHG,  but hard to make out for sure without raw data (usual caveats about abstracts, preprints, squinting at PCAs).

[old europe]

A lot of archaeologists from former Soviet areas had a big fixation with middle eastern migrations directly into Eastern Europe , waves upon waves 
Eg https://arheologia.com.ua/index.php/arhe...e/view/302
I think most of these are outlandish, and are probably due unrecognised EHG impact
It was often thought that Crimean HGs would be near eastern but they turned out EHG

In case anyone is interested in that Mesolithic individual from crimea
It’s from https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...512v1.full

Lesnik cave. Looks EHG,  but hard to make out for sure without raw data (usual caveats about abstracts, preprints, squinting at PCAs).

lesnik was also in a 2020 paper about iron gates if I remember correctly. Back then he was modeled as a round of the mill ukraine mesolithic sample.
60% WHG
40% ANE

[Арсен]

"The Lesnik Cave site is located near Yalta, Ukraine. The analyzed sample (Lec2) was not directly dated, but based on contextual evidence, it has been placed within the early Mesolithic or Late Palaeolithic periods of the region. Another human sample (Lec1) from this cave was dated to 11,260 ± 45 BP (OxA-19112), calibrated using OxCal 4.4 to 11,292-11,144 BC (Ridush, 2009; Schulz, 2016)."

[HurrianFam]

What do you think? Steppe Eneolithic outlier West is in a position relatively similar to Core Yamnaya? Or between that and the Nalchik Intermediate diamonds? It would make sense to find R1b-L23 among these

Late Steppe Eneolithic looks even more to me like what Lazaridis et al calls “Peri-Yamnaya”. One of those two seems to be NV3003 from Nevinnomyssky 3 in Scott et al 2022

[Арсен]

where can i find coordinates for tarim emba1

[Арсен]

honestly, i didn't expect that Satanay would be like a mix of ehg + wshg, i thought that it would be mostly caucasian chg

[Арсен]

A new great palaeogenetic article by Gabriel Solans, on Indo-European languages assessing the date & place of birth of most of the major branches, the links between them & the major Haplogroups.
Forthcoming but available now on Academia.