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E-M123* discussion
#16
Hello guys,
I never thought too much about the pre-historic period of E-m123* and I have a question:

- is E-m123* related to the Natufian period and the PPNB? I see Natufians are E-z830 and then E-m123 is the next clade in the sequence. Is it safe to assume that E-m123* was there too in the Natufian/PPNB period?

From Yfull, I see that E-Y31991 has TMRCA is in 8500 BC which is PPNB period. The PPNB seems to be also associated with E-z830 from current knowledge.

Then E-PF4428 is 7100 BC which is probably within the PPNC or whatever followed PPNB (edit - actually the Late Neolithic pottery culture).

Then several subclades have a formation in 4400 BC which fits very well with the beginning of the Levantine Chalcolithic age (c. 4500–3300 BCE) when began the Ghassulian period associated with T1A1 people (and also one E-z830 which seems to be remnant of the Natufian/PPNB population). Such events that produced subclades in the Chalcolithic period testify that most likely this E-PF4428 population was there affected by those events (or in the other way around, it is a coincidence).

But anyway, my question is - can we assume that E-m123* is rooted in the Natufian + PPNB cultures?
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#17
(05-19-2024, 10:09 PM)vlrs Wrote: Hello guys,
I never thought too much about the pre-historic period of E-m123* and I have a question:

- is E-m123* related to the Natufian period and the PPNB? I see Natufians are E-z830 and then E-m123 is the next clade in the sequence. Is it safe to assume that E-m123* was there too in the Natufian/PPNB period?

From Yfull, I see that E-Y31991 has TMRCA is in 8500 BC which is PPNB period. The PPNB seems to be also associated with E-z830 from current knowledge.

Then E-PF4428 is 7100 BC which is probably within the PPNC or whatever followed PPNB (edit - actually the Late Neolithic pottery culture).

Then several subclades have a formation in 4400 BC which fits very well with the beginning of the Levantine Chalcolithic age (c. 4500–3300 BCE) when began the Ghassulian period associated with T1A1 people (and also one E-z830 which seems to be remnant of the Natufian/PPNB population). Such events that produced subclades in the Chalcolithic period testify that most likely this E-PF4428 population was there affected by those events (or in the other way around, it is a coincidence).

But anyway, my question is - can we assume that E-m123* is rooted in the Natufian + PPNB cultures?

I believe this subclade E-Z36113 ( aka M123* ) is will be found in samples ancient  (Natufian and PPNB) we need only waiting
Is seems to me this subclade is difficult to know any era happened this Immigrations ,its was immigrant to europe and central asia maybe same era ?
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#18
@vlrs
This sample (DV056) from Baranja in Croatia , its belong to Haplogroup E-M123 <PF4428
This great
   
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-0...4/tables/1
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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(05-25-2024, 07:06 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: @vlrs
This sample (DV056) from Baranja in Croatia , its belong to Haplogroup E-M123 <PF4428
This great

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-0...4/tables/1

Omg interesting, from where is this information? Edit - ah actually I remember now, thank you for bringing this up as it was forgotten by me.
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