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Ancient V samples
#16
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?m...sp=sharing
I created this Map but some samples isn't accurate in location
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#17
NEO130: V1 (Hungary )
NE0603: V* (Portugal)
NE0933: V* (Denmark)
Link study
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...4.490594v6
I added this samples ancient in Map of Haplogroup V
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#18
New samples ancient of Hg V
CGG106782 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V7b
CGG106778 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V11
CGG107043 Norway , Rogaland 400-550 CE , V22
CGG107034 Norway , Trøndelag 550-800 CE , V1a1
CGG017610 Denmark , Lolland 450 B.C , V2b
CGG107485 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3
CGG107391 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3c
CGG106830 Denmark , Zealand 750-1000 CE , V3c
CGG106519 Denmark , Zealand 40B.C-110 CE , V2
CGG106515 Denmark , Zealand 1300 B.C , V10
CGG024700 Netherlands 400-700 CE , V7a
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...y-material
I will adding this samples on Map Hg V too
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#19
I added now this new samples in Map
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#20
LEU039 , Germany_Sömmerd , Únětice culture (2300 B.C) , V7*
https://www.theytree.com/sample/351c44c0...653dc.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-54462-6
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
Reply
#21
(03-14-2024, 08:21 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: New samples ancient of Hg V
CGG106782 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V7b
CGG106778 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V11
CGG107043 Norway , Rogaland 400-550 CE , V22
CGG107034 Norway , Trøndelag 550-800 CE , V1a1
CGG017610 Denmark , Lolland 450 B.C , V2b
CGG107485 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3
CGG107391 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3c
CGG106830 Denmark , Zealand 750-1000 CE , V3c
CGG106519 Denmark , Zealand 40B.C-110 CE , V2
CGG106515 Denmark , Zealand 1300 B.C , V10
CGG024700 Netherlands 400-700 CE , V7a
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...y-material
I will adding this samples on Map Hg V too

surprised to find V22 in Norway. it's almost exclusive clade from Basque Country
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#22
(03-18-2024, 02:18 PM)miquirumba Wrote:
(03-14-2024, 08:21 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: New samples ancient of Hg V
CGG106782 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V7b
CGG106778 Denmark , Langelands 750-1050 CE , V11
CGG107043 Norway , Rogaland 400-550 CE , V22
CGG107034 Norway , Trøndelag 550-800 CE , V1a1
CGG017610 Denmark , Lolland 450 B.C , V2b
CGG107485 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3
CGG107391 Denmark , Zealand 1-200 CE , V3c
CGG106830 Denmark , Zealand 750-1000 CE , V3c
CGG106519 Denmark , Zealand 40B.C-110 CE , V2
CGG106515 Denmark , Zealand 1300 B.C , V10
CGG024700 Netherlands 400-700 CE , V7a
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...y-material
I will adding this samples on Map Hg V too

surprised to find V22 in Norway. it's almost exclusive clade from Basque Country

Yaeh is very interesting because as far know ( im not sure )people basque aren't have any admixture North European
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#23
@Mokordo is posted samples medieval from Aldaieta there only sample belong a mtDNA V
Quote:B93 - Aldaieta    ()    V    1350    Spain - North Iberia Early Middle Ages
Temporal Mitochondrial DNA Variation in the Basque Country: Influence of Post-Neolithic Events
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
Reply
#24
Two big papers out today. I see there were no V samples in the Nikitin et al North Pontic Neolithic to Bronze Age preprint but there are a V and a V7, both from BA Hungary, in the Lazaridis et al Origin of the Indo-Europeans. The V was sample I18100 and the V7 was I3511.

The V7 sample’s mean radiocarbon date is 4574BP (before 1950) giving us roughly 2500BC.  YFull has a formed date for V7 of about 2000 years later than that at 2500 ybp; TMRCA 1550 ybp.

Interesting but not at all unexpected that there were no V samples from the IE homeland area itself given that it seems to have been spread by Neolithic farmer women. No surprise to see V samples in BA Hungary of course.
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Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#25
(Yesterday, 09:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Two big papers out today. I see there were no V samples in the Nikitin et al North Pontic Neolithic to Bronze Age preprint but there are a V and a V7, both from BA Hungary, in the Lazaridis et al Origin of the Indo-Europeans. The V was sample I18100 and the V7 was I3511.

The V7 sample’s mean radiocarbon date is 4574BP (before 1950) giving us roughly 2500BC.  YFull has a formed date for V7 of about 2000 years later than that at 2500 ybp; TMRCA 1550 ybp.

Interesting but not at all unexpected that there were no V samples from the IE homeland area itself given that it seems to have been spread by Neolithic farmer women. No surprise to see V samples in BA Hungary of course.

This great is will be amazing to know profile admixture DNA , i will added this 2 samples in Map of Hg V
Thanks you
this new sample without referring to other samples Hg V it mean TMRCA mtDNA isnt accurate
but i hope team Yfull to fix this soon
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
Reply
#26
(Yesterday, 09:29 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Two big papers out today. I see there were no V samples in the Nikitin et al North Pontic Neolithic to Bronze Age preprint but there are a V and a V7, both from BA Hungary, in the Lazaridis et al Origin of the Indo-Europeans. The V was sample I18100 and the V7 was I3511.

The V7 sample’s mean radiocarbon date is 4574BP (before 1950) giving us roughly 2500BC.  YFull has a formed date for V7 of about 2000 years later than that at 2500 ybp; TMRCA 1550 ybp.

Interesting but not at all unexpected that there were no V samples from the IE homeland area itself given that it seems to have been spread by Neolithic farmer women. No surprise to see V samples in BA Hungary of course.

This great is will be amazing to know profile admixture DNA , i will added this 2 samples in Map of Hg V
Thanks you
this new sample without referring to other samples Hg V it mean TMRCA mtDNA isnt accurate
but i hope team Yfull to fix this soon

Great that you're going to add them to your map. What would be really interesting would be a map of all existing Neolithic mtDNA samples across Europe, W Asia and N Africa, with the V samples highlighted within that. It would give us a better picture of the early distribution than we can get from only seeing the relevant V samples plotted in isolation. If you can think of a relatively easy way to do that please let me know. I can't, unfortunately.

ADD: I think we only have samples from Europe so far but that might change in time.
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Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#27
(Yesterday, 09:53 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:29 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:15 PM)JonikW Wrote: Two big papers out today. I see there were no V samples in the Nikitin et al North Pontic Neolithic to Bronze Age preprint but there are a V and a V7, both from BA Hungary, in the Lazaridis et al Origin of the Indo-Europeans. The V was sample I18100 and the V7 was I3511.

The V7 sample’s mean radiocarbon date is 4574BP (before 1950) giving us roughly 2500BC.  YFull has a formed date for V7 of about 2000 years later than that at 2500 ybp; TMRCA 1550 ybp.

Interesting but not at all unexpected that there were no V samples from the IE homeland area itself given that it seems to have been spread by Neolithic farmer women. No surprise to see V samples in BA Hungary of course.

This great is will be amazing to know profile admixture DNA , i will added this 2 samples in Map of Hg V
Thanks you
this new sample without referring to other samples Hg V it mean TMRCA mtDNA isnt accurate
but i hope team Yfull to fix this soon

Great that you're going to add them to your map. What would be really interesting would be a map of all existing Neolithic mtDNA samples across Europe, W Asia and N Africa, with the V samples highlighted within that. It would give us a better picture of the early distribution than we can get from only seeing the relevant V samples plotted in isolation. If you can think of a relatively easy way to do that please let me know. I can't, unfortunately.

ADD: I think we only have samples from Europe so far but that might change in time.

I believe start of Hg V is was in East Europe or South East Europe there in this region subclades V7 and V1 ancient samples and now this subclades is common in saami ( in this samples there difference a profile admixture DNA ) , for North Africa i think its spread linked with Bell-Beaker to Andalusian ( Moors)
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#28
Target: LBK_EN:I2016:Lipson_2017 (this G25 ordonnier K12b)
Distance: 5.2113% / 0.05211296
56.6 TUR_Barcin_N
21.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
10.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
7.2 WHG
4.0 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz930__BC_1420__Cov_13.46%
Distance: 5.2340% / 0.05233994
55.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.4 WHG
17.8 TUR_Barcin_N
2.0 Dinka
0.4 Yoruba

Target: Poland_Trzciniec_MBA:poz507__BC_1314__Cov_40.36%
Distance: 5.8904% / 0.05890373
62.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
22.6 WHG
15.2 TUR_Barcin_N

Target: Germany_EN_LBK:I2036__BC_5175__Cov_24.41%
Distance: 4.2410% / 0.04241040
98.8 TUR_Barcin_N
1.2 WHG

Target: Germany_EBA_Unetice:LEU039__BC_2050__Cov_67.84%
Distance: 3.3268% / 0.03326791
60.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
26.4 TUR_Barcin_N
13.0 WHG
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
Reply
#29
(Yesterday, 10:04 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:53 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:29 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: This great is will be amazing to know profile admixture DNA , i will added this 2 samples in Map of Hg V
Thanks you
this new sample without referring to other samples Hg V it mean TMRCA mtDNA isnt accurate
but i hope team Yfull to fix this soon

Great that you're going to add them to your map. What would be really interesting would be a map of all existing Neolithic mtDNA samples across Europe, W Asia and N Africa, with the V samples highlighted within that. It would give us a better picture of the early distribution than we can get from only seeing the relevant V samples plotted in isolation. If you can think of a relatively easy way to do that please let me know. I can't, unfortunately.

ADD: I think we only have samples from Europe so far but that might change in time.

I believe start of Hg V is was in East Europe or South East Europe there in this region subclades V7 and V1 ancient samples and now this subclades is common in saami ( in this samples there difference a profile admixture DNA ) , for North Africa i think its spread linked with Bell-Beaker to Andalusian ( Moors)

I agree. I suspect somewhere in the area that adopted farming about 8200 to 8000 years ago. So the Balkans is the likely location - more likely than areas further west that picked up the Neolithic package in the centuries immediately after that.
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Y: I1 Z140+ FT354410+; mtDNA: V78
Recent tree: mainly West Country England and Southeast Wales
Y line: Peak District, c.1300. Swedish IA/VA matches; last = 715AD YFull, 849AD FTDNA
mtDNA: Llanvihangel Pont-y-moile, 1825
Mother's Y: R-BY11922+; Llanvair Discoed, 1770
Avatar: Welsh Borders hillfort, 1980s
Anthrogenica member 2015-23
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#30
(Yesterday, 10:35 PM)JonikW Wrote:
(Yesterday, 10:04 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(Yesterday, 09:53 PM)JonikW Wrote: Great that you're going to add them to your map. What would be really interesting would be a map of all existing Neolithic mtDNA samples across Europe, W Asia and N Africa, with the V samples highlighted within that. It would give us a better picture of the early distribution than we can get from only seeing the relevant V samples plotted in isolation. If you can think of a relatively easy way to do that please let me know. I can't, unfortunately.
ADD: I think we only have samples from Europe so far but that might change in time.

I believe start of Hg V is was in East Europe or South East Europe there in this region subclades V7 and V1 ancient samples and now this subclades is common in saami ( in this samples there difference a profile admixture DNA ) , for North Africa i think its spread linked with Bell-Beaker to Andalusian ( Moors)

I agree. I suspect somewhere in the area that adopted farming about 8200 to 8000 years ago. So the Balkans is the likely location - more likely than areas further west that picked up the Neolithic package in the centuries immediately after that.
Is seems to me lucky isn't there with us for yet , but anyway we should to wait new studies maybe there new samples of Hg V
but its seems to me this mtDNA EHG << EEF and  in the centuries admixtrue after that to Yamnaya and WHG
i sugged EHG because mtDNA HV is formed in caucasus
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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