Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[Mabrams]

My feeling is that the updating has gone back to 2015. (I don't have any 2014 kits to examine). So there are still a lot of 2010 to 2015 Version 1 kits to update. Although I have no idea how to estimate the number of such kits.

Then after that are the MyHeritage kits. I am not sure how many of those there are, and if the unlock fee applies to them. (No V1 MH kits, prior to 2019).

And then the Vitagene kits, but I suspect that is a very small number.


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On my Family Finder, I have cross referenced many matches at MH. More than I expected. But I can also find many of these people at AncestryDNA and perhaps that is the source of the upload.

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I understand not putting AncestryDNA or 23andMe Y SNPs on the official Haplotree.

But I dont understand why they are displayed only to the user. I would like to see them as well. The match is already tagged Autosomal Transfer, so its not that confusing.

Some of the 23andMe v5 haplos are pretty good.

My AncestryDNA v1 Raw Data was projected at R-U106 at YSeq Clade Finder. Which is a lot better than "blank".

[sirdan]

It just halted for a while.

[Mabrams]

From FTDNA Admin Newsletter, June 27 2024

"Family Finder Y-Haplogroup update

We've finished issuing the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroups for Family-Finder-tested customers through late 2015. Next will be a few that were ordered through resellers, the first chip (2010 to about Oct. 2015), and autosomal transfers. The latter won’t start until probably mid-July or so."

[Mabrams]

Anybody heard anything new about where we are in the process?  Is it done or do we still have more to go?  My last guess was that we would have another 50-60K to go.

I am not sure how to estimate whether 50,000 or 100,000 etc

I can say this.   

On Dec 7, 2023 I had 560 R-M269s on my Family Finder list.   Right after the first batch of updates.  There was no autosomal filter in those days.  In early February, there was an AT filter, which flagged 143 ATs with R-M269.   Assuming that was approximately equal in Dec, then about 417 R-M269s from FTDNA FF kits.

Today, I have 120 FTDNA FF R-M269s still to process.   (plus another 127 AT R-M269s that will be updated, but visible to the transfer man only)

So my FFs M269s are about 70% done.   30% to go.  Mostly V1s.

I get a similar ratio if I look at how my Y12 list has changed.

[Jalisciense]

From FTDNA  Admin Newsletter, June 27 2024

"Family Finder Y-Haplogroup update

We've finished issuing the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroups for Family-Finder-tested customers through late 2015. Next will be a few that were ordered through resellers, the first chip (2010 to about Oct. 2015), and autosomal transfers. The latter won’t start until probably mid-July or so."

Thanks! This was the info that I needed read and know.

[ArmandoR1b]

From FTDNA  Admin Newsletter, June 27 2024

"Family Finder Y-Haplogroup update

We've finished issuing the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroups for Family-Finder-tested customers through late 2015. Next will be a few that were ordered through resellers, the first chip (2010 to about Oct. 2015), and autosomal transfers. The latter won’t start until probably mid-July or so."

Thanks! This was the info that I needed read and know.

You are very likely going to get the same thing as Yseq Cladefinder. They use the raw data from the autosomal file from the other company. The only people that get a downstream SNP is if one of the SNPs tested by another company is a recurrent SNP in another haplogroup. The resolution of the other companies is normally too low to get one of those recurrent SNPs.

[Dewsloth]

Holy cow.  I saved the results from May 10 and just checked again, this morning.  A massive jump:
May 10 -- MAY 23 -- May 30  Jun 2 Jul 1
6 R-FT88174 1300 BCE 48 49  51  53  +10.4% 55
7 R-FT354149 1400 BCE 232 271  308   322 +38.7% 337
8 R-Z17112 1450 BCE 860 998  1,180   1,281 +49% 1,339
9 R-S4268 1450 BCE 1,125 1,265 1,447   1,547 +37.5% 1,609 -- S4268 and S4281 SNP levels are where I am seeing new FF matches show up
10 R-S4281 1600 BCE 1,378 1,717  2,198   2,398  +74% 2,530
11 R-FGC11833 1900 BCE 1,407 1,747  2,228   2,428 +72.5% 2,561
12 R-DF88 2100 BCE 1,526 1,895  2,408   2,624 +72% 2,765
13 R-DF19 2550 BCE 2,092 2,564  3,191   3,458  +65.3% 3,620
14 [gonna start watching P312 2800 BCE ] 87,777 136,806 +55.8% 143,040

May 30 in bold+underline ^^^

Adding P312 - I had May 10 saved.

Update a month later.  Small gains, maybe tapering off now.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Things are moving again.  Up 12k.  Now 552,007

New total 560,881

A little bit of a jump over night to 564,977

Jumped 12,000 from 566k to 578,486 since yesterday

[Riverman]

My father has not even a single match from our upstream main branch yet, which could have happened by chance. Still just 9 haplogroup E assignments in total, all very differente branches.
Also, so far not a single new addition from FF to the main branch, since they were done with the newer chips.
I really hope the MyHeritage upload results will be public, those could be the best chance of finding new patrilinear matches.

[sirdan]

New total 560,881

A little bit of a jump over night to 564,977

Jumped 12,000 from 566k to 578,486 since yesterday

I have also detected some rush in I1.

[rmstevens2]

One guy with my surname whose result I was waiting for turned out to be R-U106, so no cigar on that one. I am still waiting for a guy with my surname who got his FF results in 2021. No Y-DNA assignment for him.

[Mabrams]

Some stats (focusing on R-U106) over the last 3 weeks.  I happened to take stats the day before the last bump of 12,000 updates.

The following might be used to combat insomnia.


                        June 17      July 7         July 10
A-PR2921          560,940    566,621       578,523
R-M269             230,216    233,029       239,556
R-U106               57,785      58,573         60,379    (Note: U106 is almost exactly 25% of M269)
R-U106*               3,644        4,178          5,609

This shows the effect of the U106 SNP being tested by the V1 of Family Finder.

• A-PR2921 and M269 and U106 in general went up 2 to 3% over last 3 weeks.
  
• U106* (Branch Participants in FTDNA lingo) went from 3644 to 5609, over 50% increase. Almost 80% from July 7 to July 10.
  

I see this on my personal Y12 lists (those with Family Finder, but not Autosomal Transfers).
I am a U106, so it's not surprising that my results are heavily skewed in that direction.

                        June 17      July 7       July 10
M269                    227         171            139
U106                       36          66              85 (see note below)
The bulk of my R-M269s are being upgraded to U106, as expected.   As the M269s go down, the U106s go up...

Most of the remaining updates went into L151, also as expected.   But not poor P312. 
P151                      34           49              56   
P312                        7            7                7         

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There is one problem with the FTDNA stats not adding up.  
I have 111 total Y12 U106s.   85 are from Family Finder and 3 from Autosomal Transfers.   Hmmm....
My other totals make sense.   In general, FF kits plus ATs = Total, plus or minus a couple.  I presume that is partly from people who have a FF kit AND an AT.  

P312 added up okay (approximately)   56 FF + 1 AT = 56 Total.

[Mabrams]

"There is one problem with the FTDNA stats not adding up. 
I have 111 total Y12 U106s.  85 are from Family Finder and 3 from Autosomal Transfers.  Hmmm...."

Oops....mea culpa.....my bad.....

After a good night of sleep and a fresh cup of coffee, I have realized the error of my ways.  I interpreted the FF filter numbers incorrectly.

For U106, I do have 85 FF kits and 3 ATs.  But the Family Finder total does actually report 88.  So everything checks out, and all is well in my universe and FTDNA's.

My search for U106 does yield 111 results total.  That includes approximately 23 Y-STR testers who have no Family Finder tests or Autosomal uploads. 

My next question is how did they get U106, since that is not likely a final result from a SNP Pack.  Most likely testing for a single SNP.  Maybe some were from early Nat Geo tests (?)

[Mabrams]

I have located two Family Finder kits, from early July 2015 that were recently updated via Family Finder V1.

The bad news for these two kits is that their update was no better than their Y37/67 tests.
They are in Haplogroup I.

Other Haplogroups have better results. I found a third kit from late June 2015 that was updated to L151, which is a tad better than the standard R-M269 from a STR test.

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FTDNA has put out some emails regarding difficulties brought on by Hurricane Beryl in Houston a few days ago. They mentioned that this will delay the integration of MyHeritage trees by a week. No mention of Family Finder Y updates, but it would seem that they might be a low priority for the time being.

[ArmandoR1b]

I have located two Family Finder kits, from early July 2015 that were recently updated via Family Finder V1. 

The bad news for these two kits is that their update was no better than their Y37/67 tests. 
They are in Haplogroup I.

Other Haplogroups have better results.  I found a third kit from late June 2015 that was updated to L151, which is a tad better than the standard R-M269 from a STR test.

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FTDNA has put out some emails regarding difficulties brought on by Hurricane Beryl in Houston a few days ago.  They mentioned that this will delay the integration of MyHeritage trees by a week.  No mention of Family Finder Y updates, but it would seem that they might be a low priority for the time being.

I have seen a lot more than 3 R-L151 tested by v1. Some are from 2014.

What I want to know is if R-L21 and R-U152 are being tested or not in v1. They aren't showing negative in the results for the R-L151 kits. R-L21 and R-U152  were both in the ISOGG tree before v1 was released so they should be. If so then most R-L151 would be R-DF27 if participants were to get tested for downstream SNPs. I have seen a lot of people updated to R-L151 but I know they all would be R-DF27 for sure.

Here is how I can deduce that they are.

I know that between June 14 and today that the total number of R-L151 went up 6446 kits. The branch went up 5685 kits. R-DF27 went up by a mere 227.

Big Y R-L151 only went up by 322 kits.

Unless after June 14 there were some v2 kits that were added to haplotree, that means that R-L21 and R-U152 are tested by FF v1 and that also means that the majority of the R-L151 v1 kits would be in a R-DF27 subclade if they were to be tested for R-Z195 and for R-ZZ12_1.

edit: R-U106 is tested in v1. So they aren't part of the increase of 5685 kits for the branch participants of R-L151