Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[Mabrams]

"Any news about the start of the assignments for the transfer kits?"

On the July GAP newsletter, which was actually sent out on August 1, the answer is
"will be moving to the transfers soon"

IMO, the concept of time is a nebulous concept for FTDNA.  I am pretty sure my idea of "soon" is not the same as FTDNA's. 

I don't know when the ATs will start.  'Soon', of course.  Maybe after the tree migration to MH is complete? 

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Possible answer to my second MH question above

The same newsletter specifically reminds people that haplotypes from Ancestry and 23andMe will not be shown to anyone other than the uploader.  Since MH was not mentioned, I am hoping that means MH haplos will be shown to other matches.

[Riverman]

"Any news about the start of the assignments for the transfer kits?"

On the July GAP newsletter, which was actually sent out on August 1, the answer is
"will be moving to the transfers soon"

IMO, the concept of time is a nebulous concept for FTDNA.  I am pretty sure my idea of "soon" is not the same as FTDNA's. 

I don't know when the ATs will start.  'Soon', of course.  Maybe after the tree migration to MH is complete? 

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Possible answer to my second MH question above

The same newsletter specifically reminds people that haplotypes from Ancestry and 23andMe will not be shown to anyone other than the uploader.  Since MH was not mentioned, I am hoping that means MH haplos will be shown to other matches.

Yes, the MH assignments should be shown, but I guess only if the users have paid for FF.

[Jalisciense]

My maternal grandpa has received his confirmated Y-DNA haplogroup today, he is a MyHeritage DNA transfer customer.











Note: I transferred my raw data first and my father's too; and then it was his.

[Mabrams]

thanks for alerting us that MH updates are starting to move.



Although I think I know the answer, but I would still like to know factually.

Are your MyHeritage transfers labeled the same as all other transfers? As in just a gray tag saying  "AUTOSOMAL TRANSFER"?

[Jalisciense]

thanks for alerting us that MH updates are starting to move.



Although I think I know the answer, but I would still like to know factually.

Are your MyHeritage transfers labeled the same as all other transfers? As in just a gray tag saying  "AUTOSOMAL TRANSFER"?

You're welcome.

Where do I see that gray tag? Sorry, I barely use this service.

Note: I found what you meant, it is in the Family Finder matches, so answering your question, yeah, it is shown as AUTOSOMAL TRANSFER even for us who used our MyHeritage DNA raw data.

And our Y-DNA haplogroups are shown for the public in the matches as well.

[sirdan]

I see many autosomal transfers with haplogroups, that is cool.

[Jalisciense]

Ok, they have confirmed mine like 30 minutes ago! And yeah, I am a MyHeritage DNA transfer customer as well.

[Jalisciense]

I am not sure if we are participants or not, because in the countries matches there are 20 males for Mexico, when it should be more because my grandpa would be the number 20 (or 21) and myself 21 (Or 22), but it does not show, it shows the same number of participants males in Mexico in my grandpa account too.

[Mabrams]

Discover is not automatically updated in real time.  I think Discover is typically updated on Friday (nights?) so try again in a day or two (Saturday) but more practically wait a week, occasionally two. 

The Haplotrees are usually updated in real time, or nearly so.  You will probably find the correct numbers there.

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I am not sure how to pick up the MH updates on my FF or Y12 lists.  There are so many combinations.......

If I see an "AUTOSOMAL TRANSFER" tag with a haplotype and no Y-STR tests or BigY, I guess an MH update is possible.  (Or they could have had a SNP test or SNP Pack or older Deep Clade test)

btw, National Geographic Geno uploads do not have the AT tag.

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EDIT:  I did notice that the total number of my FF matches with Y haplos increased by 11 over the last day.  That's a "lot" for one day, so MH updates must be most/all of them.    My R-M269s decreased by two, so perhaps MH updates as well.

My MH SNP-of-interest, Z9, showed no change on the FF and Y12 lists.

There are 591,192 men on the Haplotree (A-PR2921) as of this writing.  Maybe someone has the number for yesterday or the day before, to see what size bump the MH updates contributed.

[Riverman]

More than 20 new branch members. Since in the last weeks only 1 or 2 new matches being added every week, these must be from the autosomal transfers. No new assignment among my matches though, but I have many branch members not as STR matches.

[Moeca]

ftdna , family finder matches and their my Origins still do not match each other .................what reliability have they in these uploads ?

my father results 

his data uploaded from 23andme V4 to FtDna

[Mabrams]

"what reliability have they in these uploads"

Most Ethnic Ancestries are pretty dicey, IMO.  Maybe more so for uploads. And FTDNA does not have a great reputation for MyOrigins, even on their own kits.    

But the Y Haplotypes are pretty reliable, since there is just MH.  Only MH is accepted for public display and the Haplotree, because FTDNA did the lab processing.

If 23andMe and Ancestry uploads are unreliable for the Y haplos, we'll never really know, since they won't be publicly displayed.

[Riverman]

The ethnicity estimates of MyHeritage and FTDNA are generally worse than those of Ancestry for Central Europeans, with 23andMe topping all competitors in this respect. But with their yDNA/mtDNA testing and data bases they are top and pretty much have a monopoly, since the competitors play in a dfferent league of whole genome testing and can't offer similar sized data bases for matches.

[Joey37]

Ancestry, on the other hand, is terrible when it comes to British Isles ethnicities. They should just change them all to 'Celtic' and 'Saxon' and be done with it, and if you're of British descent and get Scandinavian just assume it is 'Viking' and go on with your day. Despite the fact that I have two great-great-grandparents, the paternal grandparents of my Nana, from Palazzo Adriano, Sicily, I get ZERO Italian. Now, granted, half of my DNA from them is Arbëreshë so I get some Balkan and Eastern European, but I still get ZERO Italian, and neither me nor my mother gets French despite her having an Acadian great-grandfather (although my great-aunt does). 23andMe may go overboard in assigning that north French to British and Irish, but they do a much better job at the other ethnicities in my pedigree.

[Riverman]

Ancestry, on the other hand, is terrible when it comes to British Isles ethnicities.  They should just change them all to 'Celtic' and 'Saxon' and be done with it, and if you're of British descent and get Scandinavian just assume it is 'Viking' and go on with your day.  Despite the fact that I have two great-great-grandparents, the paternal grandparents of my Nana, from Palazzo Adriano, Sicily, I get ZERO Italian.  Now, granted, half of my DNA from them is Arbëreshë so I get some Balkan and Eastern European, but I still get ZERO Italian, and neither me nor my mother gets French despite her having an Acadian great-grandfather (although my great-aunt does).  23andMe may go overboard in assigning that north French to British and Irish, but they do a much better job at the other ethnicities in my pedigree.

A lot of Germans get English, Scandinavian etc. on Ancestry too. But the reason I say they are better than FTDNA is, that these are related and in part interchangeable ancestries anyway. On the other hand, some other ancestries Central Europeans get on FTDNA and in MyHeritage (especially the older version) are not closely related or interchangeable at all.