Coats of arms of haplogroups J (J-M304), J1 (J-M267), J2 (J-M172) and others

[Mitchell-Atkins]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

[Vognejar]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

[Joey37]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

[RCO]

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Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.
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All haplogroups have different ethnic branches, R1a have Turkic, Mongolic, Semitic clades never related to Indo-Europeans and R1a in Europe was just Indo-Europeanized in the forests and swamps of Eastern Europe, not different from local I1 and E-V13, they were not in the first and original Indo-European regions around the Caucasus-Caspian Sea.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

In U152 we are fortunate that we have a close ancient dna connection to Continental Bell Beaker culture/burials, especially the U152>L2 branch.

Hence the arrows, horse, and Bell Beaker symbols in the U152 logos seen at the FTDNA U152 project header

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1...background

The number of symbols also has meaning

U shape
1 horse
5 mountain peaks
2 arrows

[rmstevens2]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

R1b-M269 was in Yamnaya and Corded Ware before it was in Beaker. Maybe we could use the horse as our symbol.

[Vognejar]

As the birthplace of agriculture and farmers

You could use a scythe in the shape of a “J”





Reverse image of this

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

Indo-Europeans (including Indo-Iranians) are tied to different haplogroups, there is no monopoly here. The problem is that neither linguistics, nor population anthropology, nor archeology can give a clear answer here, because everyone has mixed with everyone throughout history, with some exceptions. Genetics gives a specific answer for a specific branch of a haplogroup, therefore, as a conditional general symbol, I think it is best to take a weapon or some object related to a haplogroup and repeating the shape of the letter of the haplogroup. For Indo-European branches, a chariot would be quite a good symbol (for example, for R1b-Z93). The axe is not only a symbol from the mythology of the Scythians. Also, Kyivan Rus (may be from iranian times) used the pommel of the axe as a talisman. In addition, the sword stuck in the ground, which was worshiped by the Indo-Iranians (among whom there will be quite a lot of haplogroup J).

https://violity.com/ru/109466633-skifski...til-kopiya


https://swordmaster.org/2012/08/05/drevn...oriki.html

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Not bad, but there is one problem. For the Scythians, the plow, the axe and the cup denoted different castes. Farmers, warriors and shamans. And the farmers were the very bottom of the hierarchy of early societies. Below them were only the expelled outcasts and hunter-gatherers. In addition, there is no data that our haplogroup dominated among the Scythians. And if we talk about myth-making, then for our haplogroup we need to take the origins - eastern Anatolia. There, the modern descendants of the Medes - the Kurds - they have their own myths even about Zoroaster. We can only talk, for example, about some proto-Iranian cults that were associated with the image of a bull, as well as later ones, such as Mithraism (the cult of Mithra came to the Roman Empire from ancient Iranian territories). Also, a fifth of imperial Rome consisted of our Mediterranean haplogroup ancestors, which means that ancient Greco-Roman cults are also eligible for use. I also like the Trident symbol - as the patron of the seas.

Hey, solid idea.  We R1a guys are the warriors (as it is the founding haplogroup of the Indo-Iranian peoples the Scythians descend from) so we will use an axe in our coat of arms.  R1b can use the cup, but make it a Bell Beaker.

R1b-M269 was in Yamnaya and Corded Ware before it was in Beaker. Maybe we could use the horse as our symbol.

One of the descendants of these groups, the Celts, whether on the continent or in the Isles, almost couldn’t resist putting the horse on most of their coins.