Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Since 8 July we've only added 875...from 578,485 to 579,361 today.

Is the upgrade complete?

[ArmandoR1b]

Since 8 July we've only added 875...from 578,485 to 579,361 today.

Is the upgrade complete?

They are not done. If you look at your male autosomal matches that aren't autosomal transfers you can see that there are still a lot that don't have a Y-DNA haplogroup. They show N/A.

What is the total Big Y added since July 8?

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Not tracking BigY. Looking at my autsomal matches, I have 464 BigY matches. Only 3 BigY matches using y-dna matches

[ArmandoR1b]

Not tracking BigY.  Looking at my autsomal matches, I have 464 BigY matches.  Only 3 BigY matches using y-dna matches

I guess I should have worded it differently or made two different posts.


When I was asking about Big Y I was trying to figure out if the increase of 875 included Big Y.

[rmstevens2]

I'm still waiting on a y-haplogroup assignment for a man with my surname who I know did FF in 2021. Not sure what's taking so long.

[Mabrams]

"What is the total Big Y added since July 8?"

July 7, 2024   (off by one day)
113,917 BigY

Today July 24
114,420 BigY

Increase, 503 BigY.  I think the increase from July 7 to 8 would be negligible. 

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"Is the upgrade complete?"

FTDNA is not done adding Family Finder haplos.  But the major part is done.

There are still v1 kits from 2010 to 2014 to finish, although these are very basic.  There are also MH  v2 kits, which are a bit better but I don't think there are very many.  And Verogen kits, which I suspect is also very small. 

FTDNA mentioned in a GAP newsletter they were also finishing up V2/V3 kits from some resellers.

There are also a lot of Ancestry and 23andMe kits (if unlocked) to process, but only the uploader will see those. 

"If you look at your male autosomal matches that aren't autosomal transfers you can see that there are still a lot that don't have a Y-DNA haplogroup."
Ditto...  If I look at my Family Finder R-M269, I still have 75 non-transfers to be updated.  Plus all the other haplos besides M269 plus those with no haplo. More importantly, I still have 139 R-M269s with a FF (non-transfers) on my Y12 list to be updated.

I think FTDNA's immediate focus is the MH tree transition. They are also behind a bit from Hurricane Beryl.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Based on above stats,

On a personal note, 1 out of every 38,000 BigY tests will show up as a match to me...1 match every 3 years?

[Mabrams]

Based on above stats,

On a personal note, 1 out of every 38,000 BigY tests will show up as a match to me...1 match every 3 years?


I have 13 BigY matches, but 5 of them are BigY500, with plenty of Non-Matching Variants, that probably would not hold up under BigY700.

Thus 8 "quality" matches.  But TBH, I recruited, directly (5)  or indirectly (2), 7 of them.   If I waited for BigY matches to come to me, it would just be one.   

But at 8, I am around 14,000 to one.    1 match a year, going forward?   (I think it's been 5 in last two years).

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Based on above stats,

On a personal note, 1 out of every 38,000 BigY tests will show up as a match to me...1 match every 3 years?


I have 13 BigY matches, but 5 of them are BigY500, with plenty of Non-Matching Variants, that probably would not hold up under BigY700.

Thus 8 "quality" matches.  But TBH, I recruited, directly (5)  or indirectly (2), 7 of them.   If I waited for BigY matches to come to me, it would just be one.   

But at 8, I am around 14,000 to one.    1 match a year, going forward?   (I think it's been 5 in last two years).

Of the 5 BigY individuals on my FGC12384 branch, 100% of them did BigY due to my direct involvement. 

1 of them had done 37 marker test and the other had done a 67 marker test prior to me coming on the scene in 2012.  

Using the old Ysearch database, I learned the 67 marker fellow had a GD of 10 with my dad, which was the closest match in the database.  I contacted him and he agreed to do BigY (and Full Genome Corporation's test).  At the same time I ordered BigY and FGC for my dad.

After his results came out, we went 50/50 and paid for the 37 marker's BigY.  37 and 67 marker fellows have a TMRCA around 1600 AD, while my line has a 1284 AD TMRCA with those 2.  

Finally, I paid for my own and a close matches' BigY (the man who helped me resolve my patrilineal family mystery).

Not bragging, but there would be no FGC12384 branch in the FTDNA database if I hadn't taken the initiative.   

I've pretty much skewed the results on the FGC12384 branch. 

My involvement is not unique.  Pretty sure rmstevens2 has done something similar.

Probably a good chunk of the these branches are the result of motivated individuals, rather than random chance.


Random chance may be more like 1 out of 114,000 or 1 match every decade.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

"What is the total Big Y added since July 8?"

July 7, 2024   (off by one day)
113,917 BigY

Today July 24
114,420 BigY

Increase, 503 BigY.  I think the increase from July 7 to 8 would be negligible. 

~~~~~

"Is the upgrade complete?"

FTDNA is not done adding Family Finder haplos.  But the major part is done.

There are still v1 kits from 2010 to 2014 to finish, although these are very basic.  There are also MH  v2 kits, which are a bit better but I don't think there are very many.  And Verogen kits, which I suspect is also very small. 

FTDNA mentioned in a GAP newsletter they were also finishing up V2/V3 kits from some resellers.

There are also a lot of Ancestry and 23andMe kits (if unlocked) to process, but only the uploader will see those. 

"If you look at your male autosomal matches that aren't autosomal transfers you can see that there are still a lot that don't have a Y-DNA haplogroup."
Ditto...  If I look at my Family Finder R-M269, I still have 75 non-transfers to be updated.  Plus all the other haplos besides M269 plus those with no haplo. More importantly, I still have 139 R-M269s  with a FF (non-transfers) on my Y12 list to be updated.

I think FTDNA's immediate focus is the MH tree transition.  They are also behind a bit from Hurricane Beryl.

Where are you getting the Big-Y totals?

[Mabrams]

I get the BigY totals from the Block Y info for A-PR2921

I used the method described by Randal Gibbs in message #350 in this thread.

[ArmandoR1b]

I wish I wasn't too busy to keep track of both Big Y totals and haplotree totals for all A-PR2921 and for L151, P312, L21, U152, and DF27 as well as some DF27 subclades. We could then see which are getting gains and if from Big Y or FF or both.

[Mabrams]

I wish I wasn't too busy to keep track of both Big Y totals and haplotree totals for all A-PR2921 and for L151, P312, L21, U152, and DF27 as well as some DF27 subclades. We could then see which are getting gains and if from Big Y or FF or both.

maybe this helps.    The second set of numbers for June 17 and July 7 are for exact haplotype (not downstreamers) aka Branch Participants 
But I dont have BigY numbers.

                             May 9                 June 17                                              July 7
A-PR2129            364,607            560,940                                         566,621
M269                  137,848            230,216                                         233,029             
L151                   124,879            213,806     11,820                          216,623    13,330             
P312                    87,675             141,798       1,445                          142,307      1,437
  DF27                  19,964               31,625        261                             31,743         261
  L21                     47,383               76,986      8,590                            77,278      8,589
U106                     33,227               57,785      3,644                            58,573     4,178

From June 17 to July 7, there was a pretty fair uptick for L151* and U106*.    Not so much for others.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

I wish I wasn't too busy to keep track of both Big Y totals and haplotree totals for all A-PR2921 and for L151, P312, L21, U152, and DF27 as well as some DF27 subclades. We could then see which are getting gains and if from Big Y or FF or both.

maybe this helps.    The second set of numbers for June 17 and July 7 are for exact haplotype (not downstreamers) aka Branch Participants 
But I dont have BigY numbers.

                             May 9                 June 17                                              July 7
A-PR2129            364,607            560,940                                         566,621
M269                  137,848            230,216                                         233,029             
L151                   124,879            213,806     11,820                          216,623    13,330             
P312                    87,675             141,798       1,445                          142,307      1,437
  DF27                  19,964               31,625        261                             31,743         261
  L21                     47,383               76,986      8,590                            77,278      8,589
U106                     33,227               57,785      3,644                            58,573     4,178
U152                     14707 (May 8) [25702 (Jun 14)  25745 (Jun 23)]    25792 (Jul 8)               

From June 17 to July 7, there was a pretty fair uptick for L151* and U106*.    Not so much for others.

Just adding U152 to your list.  Not exactly the same dates, but close.

[Mabrams]

I wish I wasn't too busy to keep track of both Big Y totals and haplotree totals for all A-PR2921 and for L151, P312, L21, U152, and DF27 as well as some DF27 subclades. We could then see which are getting gains and if from Big Y or FF or both.

maybe this helps.    The second set of numbers for June 17 and July 7 are for exact haplotype (not downstreamers) aka Branch Participants 
But I dont have BigY numbers.

                             May 9                 June 17                                              July 7
A-PR2129            364,607            560,940                                         566,621
M269                  137,848            230,216                                         233,029             
L151                   124,879            213,806     11,820                          216,623    13,330             
P312                    87,675             141,798       1,445                          142,307      1,437
  DF27                  19,964               31,625        261                             31,743         261
  L21                     47,383               76,986      8,590                            77,278      8,589
U106                     33,227               57,785      3,644                            58,573     4,178
U152                     14707 (May 8) [25702 (Jun 14)  25745 (Jun 23)]    25792 (Jul 8)               

From June 17 to July 7, there was a pretty fair uptick for L151* and U106*.    Not so much for others.

Just adding U152 to your list.  Not exactly the same dates, but close.

Hmm....I should have shown a little more interest in U152.   After all, it's my YDNA(M) aka my maternal grandfather's.   
U152 is also a major player in my surname project.