MorleyDNA Results From Ancestry vs 23&Me

[muttgenes]

Using our raw Ancestry and 23&Me DNA, my father and I receive J1-CTS1460 (from AncestryDNA) and J-Z2217 (from 23&Me). I will be getting a deeper dive of my Y haplogroup but I was wondering if anyone else has had differing results from these and found one to be more accurate than the other.

[AimSmall]

If I recall, the Morley results are getting a little long in the tooth and not so accurate. I could be not remembering correctly.

Without Y testing such as the Big-Y, a recommendation would be to use the raw data from AncestryDNA and run it through either Yleaf or Snipsa to get a better prediction.

You can install these on a Linux or Mac, or possibly ask a member of the forum if they'd analyze it for you.

My $0.02

EDIT: Another thought would be to combine the two kits and then analyze with the programs I mentioned.

[Riverman]

The 23andMe result was originally the same, but with the last update they got some steps further to a more downstream position. But both were correct in their prediction for myself and other people I checked.

[Vinitharya]

I agree with Riverman, at first I was just at R-M417 but Morley got me down to L1029 and then finally Wegene, a Chinese company, got me down to R-YP445, and I think it was so many 23andMe people going to Wegene for the extra refinement that got 23andMe to get down to finer haplogroup assignments.

[Rufus191]

If I recall, the Morley results are getting a little long in the tooth and not so accurate.  I could be not remembering correctly.

Without Y testing such as the Big-Y, a recommendation would be to use the raw data from AncestryDNA and run it through either Yleaf or Snipsa to get a better prediction.

You can install these on a Linux or Mac, or possibly ask a member of the forum if they'd analyze it for you.

My $0.02

EDIT:  Another thought would be to combine the two kits and then analyze with the programs I mentioned.

Yes Morley DNA is a bit outdated. OP should try with YSEQ cladefinder which is more up to date

https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_tools#Y-SNP...tion_tools

[Capsian20]

Using our raw Ancestry and 23&Me DNA, my father and I receive J1-CTS1460 (from AncestryDNA) and J-Z2217 (from 23&Me). I will be getting a deeper dive of my Y haplogroup but I was wondering if anyone else has had differing results from these and found one to be more accurate than the other.

Anway i see your result in Morely it's accurate because SNP CTS1460 its downstream a subclade J-Z2217
but anway use predictor Y-DNA of YSEQ
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

[muttgenes]

Using our raw Ancestry and 23&Me DNA, my father and I receive J1-CTS1460 (from AncestryDNA) and J-Z2217 (from 23&Me). I will be getting a deeper dive of my Y haplogroup but I was wondering if anyone else has had differing results from these and found one to be more accurate than the other.

Anway i see your result in Morely it's accurate because SNP CTS1460 its downstream a subclade J-Z2217
but anway use predictor Y-DNA of YSEQ
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/

Thanks everyone. YSEQ Cladefinder gives me J-Z1828 and J-Z1842 which makes sense especially with my paternal ancestry.

[muttgenes]

I still haven't dropped the cash on a more extensive test but I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with any historical migration that could account for J-Z1828 or J-Z1842 being present in Saarland/Luxembourg/Eastern France in the 1700s or earlier. My paternal line (Marx) immigrated to the United States in the 19th century from Saarland, near Trier, and were Catholic with documentation of their presence in that as far back as the late 17th/early 18th century. From what I can tell this is not a common subclade in Germany or France. I'll probably be doing one of the more extensive FTDNA tests later this year.

[Арсен]

Your distant ancestor seems to have Dagestan roots

[Арсен]

[muttgenes]

I had guess Dagestan/Georgia would be likely and migration occurred possibly through Austria, adopting the name Marx at some point. I know the haplogroup doesn't really determine physical traits but it's a "funny" coincidence that my Great Grandfather's uncle looked almost exactly like Joseph Stalin (who was Georgian, I believe).

[Арсен]

I had guess Dagestan/Georgia would be likely and migration occurred possibly through Austria, adopting the name Marx at some point. I know the haplogroup doesn't really determine physical traits but it's a "funny" coincidence that my Great Grandfather's uncle looked almost exactly like Joseph Stalin (who was Georgian, I believe).

he really looks like Stalin, but Stalin has the Ossetian branch G2a, that is, on his father’s side he was Ossetian
and regarding Z1842, it is believed that it originated in central mountainous Dagestan, your branch CTS1460 is common among the Avaro-Andocese peoples, that is, more specifically, we can say that your ancestor was from western mountainous Dagestan

[ChrisR]

... any historical migration that could account for J-Z1828 or J-Z1842 being present in Saarland/Luxembourg/Eastern France in the 1700s or earlier. My paternal line (Marx) ... were Catholic with documentation of their presence in that as far back as the late 17th/early 18th century.

Usually the best overview is at https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-CTS1460/tree - https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-Z1828/tree
As you can see the J-CTS1460 TMRCA is from 3595 BC. Connecting that to 17th century is a long span.
So you need to find a TMRCA at least in LBA (Late Bronze Age) or better Roman Times to construct some meaningful hypothesis for historical times.
The best are pre-surname matches (Medieval time), but for seldomly tested areas / lineages it is luck to find those in the FTDNA or other Y-match databases.

[muttgenes]

... any historical migration that could account for J-Z1828 or J-Z1842 being present in Saarland/Luxembourg/Eastern France in the 1700s or earlier. My paternal line (Marx) ... were Catholic with documentation of their presence in that as far back as the late 17th/early 18th century.

Usually the best overview is at https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-CTS1460/tree - https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-Z1828/tree
As you can see the J-CTS1460 TMRCA is from 3595 BC. Connecting that to 17th century is a long span.
So you need to find a TMRCA at least in LBA (Late Bronze Age) or better Roman Times to construct some meaningful hypothesis for historical times.
The best are pre-surname matches (Medieval time), but for seldomly tested areas / lineages it is luck to find those in the FTDNA or other Y-match databases.

Yes, it's a massive span of time where anything could happen regarding migration; I really need to do a y-haplogroup test. I had some surprises with my autosomal testing so I just haven't gotten to this yet but the fact that it appears to be so uncommon in Western Europe piqued my interest along with being a non-Jewish Marx from the Trier area.