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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
During the migration period we also see one Baltic sample, two strictly Slavic samples and at least three mixed Germanic-Slavic samples. |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Tomenable
http://генофонд.рф/?page_id=36501&cpage=1#comment-33052 |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
Comparing Gretzinger's map with Vyzov's map, we will see a complete discrepancy.
And Vyazov's last statement:
"I will throw in a new nuance here: we have one tooth from the Miłohrad s... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| It would probably be a good idea to suggest Gretzinger contacts Vyazov. Because if Gretzinger's work goes through peer review in its current form, it will be a serious blow to historical truth.
That'... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Radko
Can you generate and post here the map "Distribution of the Baltic ancestry in Europe from 3100 to 1000 yBP" from Vyazov's presentation and below it the Gretzinger map from MOBEST?
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
Thanks, now I understand!
The issue of Germanic admixture (as well as the increased frequency of I1) concerns mainly northwestern Poles. Eastern Poles basically do not have it. That is w... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
I meant the ethnolinguistic interpretation of the admixture events presented by Gretzinger. I undrstand it this way:
The admixture event of ca. 1000 BC separates the Balts from the Proto... |
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09-14-2024, 07:45 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
Yes, we've already explained the MOBEST program principle of operation to each other, so we know that using a different set of samples, the ancestry field would have ended up in a different... |
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09-13-2024, 02:58 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil:
"This event describes for them the (genetic) Baltic-Slavic split."
I can't follow their reasoning.
A mixture of about 70:30 are afer all the modern Balts and those Slavs that we know... |
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09-13-2024, 07:30 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| FR9CZ6
Fuzesabony was just a loose suggestion of mine, due to her very southern cultural connections. It's just one sample, and doesn't give a picture of the genetics of the entire population. It's... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
But it still doesn't change the fact that we have autosomal Polish genomes from before 500 AD.
In Ralph's study, Poles do indeed share IBD segments with Scandinavians, but from the Iron ... |
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09-12-2024, 06:32 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| FR9CZ6
The Proto-Slavs were supposed to look autosomally more or less like today's Latvians.
And since today's Poles have on average about 50% Baltic BA, everything fits. |
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09-12-2024, 06:11 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
The problem is that we already have a lot of samples from before 500 AD that look autosomally like Poland EMA. |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| FR9CZ6
On NE G25 PCA this Fuzesabony sample forms a cline with Baltic BA, on which modern Latvians lie exactly at the 30:70 admixture point. |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
Yes, now it makes more sense.
The best candidate for the source of southern admixture is the Otomani (Fuzesabony) culture, which was the most northern variant of Aegean-Anatolian cultura... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| In my opinion, genetics and linguistics explain the Slavic case:
The demographic boom of 300 BC-300 CE took place in the West Slavic population (Rębała). At that time, this population inhabited the... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| The so-called "Balto-Slavic drift" is a specific component of the WHG with a characteristic allele frequency, which is the result of the passage of some small hunting population through genetic drift.... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Dancingfragments
Because these so-called "early Slavs" are Baltic BA with a West Slavic admixture. Generally, today's Balts and East Slavs are Baltic BA plus West Slavs. The same genetically look l... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| alexfritz
Note that FTDNA does not use an asterisk, but leaves the sample at the level to which modern mutations are known. |
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09-09-2024, 02:54 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| alexfritz
Guy 558 from Cedynia shares the CTS11962 haplotype with many other medieval Poles, a single Roman individual from Kowalewko and two Vikings from Gotland. However, in Margaryan's work the ... |
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