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    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Jafety Wrote: (06-14-2024, 06:37 PM) -- Gabru77 Wrote: (06-14-2024, 03:22 PM) -- mtDNA composition of South Caucausus and NW Zagros Late Neolithic groups (Shulaveri-Shomu, Aratashen-Aknashen, Hajji ...
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parasar
Ancient (aDNA) 516 37,871 06-14-2024, 09:55 PM
    Thread: U5a2c3a
Post: RE: U5a2c3a

old europe Wrote: (01-20-2024, 11:02 PM) -- rmstevens2 Wrote: (01-20-2024, 10:03 PM) -- rmstevens2 Wrote: (11-04-2023, 01:19 AM) -- Here are some ancient U5a2c3a samples: U5a2c3a Sample I1382 Mose...
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U 16 512 06-11-2024, 11:25 PM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

Overall the horse evidence does seem to track the movement of R1a1-Z93 from Ukraine/Russia/Central Asia/South Asian Periphery into South Asia. I have listed some samples on the track: I6184/ROM23/...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-11-2024, 08:00 PM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

Megalophias Wrote: (06-09-2024, 01:52 AM) -- According to "The earliest herders of East Asia: examining Afanasievo entry to Central Mongolia (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S23...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-11-2024, 07:50 PM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378902416_About_ancient_horse_riders_-_imaginary_and_real_Commentary_to_the_article_First_bioanthropological_evidence_for_Yamnaya_horsemanship_by_Martin_Trautm...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-09-2024, 01:18 AM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

Maybe the eastward migration of Tocharians is much later than we think - say circa 2000 BCE or later. Mallory: "The critical issue for these models is that while any and all of them could explain...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-09-2024, 12:53 AM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

ArmandoR1b Wrote: (06-08-2024, 09:45 PM) -- Your argument in the other thread is that Afanasievo did not have horses and therefore horses are not central to Yamnaya R-L23 people? Why did Anthony beli...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-08-2024, 10:49 PM
    Thread: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2,200 BCE in Eurasia
Post: RE: Widespread horse-based mobility arose around 2...

Ever since the early formulations of PIE, horses were front and center. Schleicher (1868) - The Sheep and the Horses "Avis akvāsas ka. Avis, jasmin varnā na ā ast, dadarka akvams, tam, vāgham garu...
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Ancient (aDNA) 19 943 06-08-2024, 08:29 PM
    Thread: Horses
Post: RE: Horses

rmstevens2 Wrote: (06-08-2024, 12:47 AM) -- parasar Wrote: (06-07-2024, 02:48 PM) -- https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07597-5 https://www.sciencenews.org/article/horses-domesticated-mob...
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Fauna & Flora 19 567 06-08-2024, 03:22 PM
    Thread: Horses
Post: RE: Horses

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07597-5 https://www.sciencenews.org/article/horses-domesticated-mobility-timing "The Yamnaya were pioneers who hitched up cattle-drawn carts and left inc...
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Fauna & Flora 19 567 06-07-2024, 02:48 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

R.Rocca Wrote: (05-22-2024, 12:20 AM) -- Something interesting: The R1a-M417 branch, which has 39 SNPs, formed 6700 BC but has a TMRCA of 3400 BC, which would be early Yamnaya. On the other han...
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parasar
R1b-L51 531 20,222 05-31-2024, 11:08 PM
    Thread: Proto-Indo-Iranian and the Sintashta Culture
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-Iranian and the Sintashta Culture

Jaska Wrote: (11-19-2023, 03:30 PM) -- Rana, still the fact remains that the oldest known chariots with spoked wheels are from the Sintashta Culture ... -- I believe they are not chariots with spok...
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Linguistics 23 1,367 05-18-2024, 10:40 PM
    Thread: Origin of the Brahui
Post: RE: Origin of the Brahui

szin Wrote: (04-30-2024, 10:25 PM) -- I'm personally led to believe that some ancestors of the Brahui were Dravidians who moved northwest and mixed with the local population, who retained the Brahui ...
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Southern 7 582 05-11-2024, 09:18 PM
    Thread: Origin of the Brahui
Post: RE: Origin of the Brahui

kolompar Wrote: (05-10-2024, 08:51 PM) -- Kurukh and Malto are Adivasi so it's both unlikely that they imposed their language with little gene flow and it would be easily detectable if they did. Indo...
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Southern 7 582 05-10-2024, 09:15 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A3714602/view PROTO-INDO-ANATOLIAN, THE “ANATOLIAN SPLIT” AND THE “ANATOLIAN TREK”: A COMPARATIVE LINGUISTIC PERSPECTIVE Alwin Kloek...
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Ancient (aDNA) 516 37,871 05-10-2024, 08:58 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

alanarchae Wrote: (05-04-2024, 06:16 PM) -- does anyone else suspect there was some kind of devastating plague in old Europe in the dynamics of genetic change in Europe? -- Wouldn't have the plague...
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R1b-L51 531 20,222 05-04-2024, 06:45 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Sephesakueu Wrote: (05-03-2024, 09:24 AM) -- rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-03-2024, 12:44 AM) -- Kaltmeister Wrote: (05-02-2024, 05:53 PM) -- Without assigning any Y-haplogroups - it is true that the elite...
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R1b-L51 531 20,222 05-04-2024, 04:37 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Re: "SHT001 that I have is 3015 BC" FTDNA: R-P310 3300 BCE "Shatar Chuluu 1 was a man who lived between 3320 - 2918 BCE during the Late Neolithic Age and was found in the region now known as Shata...
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R1b-L51 531 20,222 04-27-2024, 08:22 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

parasar Wrote: (04-27-2024, 12:13 AM) -- The oldest R1b-L51 sample so far Afanasievo>Corded Ware>Yamnaya I6222/Shatar Chuluu 1 [3316-2918 BC] [3112-2918 BC] [3320 - 2918 BC], Shatar Chuluu, Erdenet...
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R1b-L51 531 20,222 04-27-2024, 02:48 AM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

The oldest R1b-L51 sample so far Afanasievo>Corded Ware>Yamnaya I6222/Shatar Chuluu 1 [3316-2918 BC] [3112-2918 BC] [3320 - 2918 BC], Shatar Chuluu, Erdenetsogt, Mongolia. Afanasievo. SHT001, C.-C. Wa...
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R1b-L51 531 20,222 04-27-2024, 12:13 AM