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    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Anthrofennica Wrote: (05-25-2024, 11:04 PM) -- jdean Wrote: (05-25-2024, 08:35 PM) -- One of the key points for the Russian Steppes being the PIE urheimat used to be the link between IE and Uralic b...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 3 hours ago
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

jdean Wrote: (05-25-2024, 08:35 PM) -- One of the key points for the Russian Steppes being the PIE urheimat used to be the link between IE and Uralic but this doesn't seem to be brought up anymore, i...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 3 hours ago
    Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian

Kale Wrote: -- What are some loanwords that seem convincing, and from what languages do they derive? -- According to Zsolt Simon 2020, *meti 'honey' and *wetä- 'to pull, lead' are phonologically an...
Jaska
Jaska
Linguistics 21 1,213 05-20-2024, 01:05 PM
    Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian

Kale Wrote: (05-19-2024, 05:44 PM) -- Does that include loanwords also (at or before the PIE stage)? -- Well, some loanwords are more convincing than others. Many Proto-Uralic words formerly consid...
Jaska
Jaska
Linguistics 21 1,213 05-19-2024, 06:36 PM
    Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian

Kale Wrote: (05-19-2024, 04:52 PM) -- So now that it seems like the mainstream is on board with a Steppe origin of PIE, what does linguistics have to say about PPIE? For example are there any hints...
Jaska
Jaska
Linguistics 21 1,213 05-19-2024, 05:10 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Gabru77 Wrote: (05-19-2024, 02:33 PM) -- Probability of branches not coming from Steppes, or weight of derivation from Non-Steppe ranked in accordance of the South of Caucausus theory:- Euphratic(hyp...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-19-2024, 03:30 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

targaryen Wrote: (05-18-2024, 02:03 AM) -- Jaska Wrote: (05-17-2024, 10:58 PM) -- Targaryen Wrote: -- Yamnaya literally means "Pit Grave". If this type of burial was not distinctive to them, they w...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-18-2024, 01:49 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Targaryen Wrote: -- Yamnaya literally means "Pit Grave". If this type of burial was not distinctive to them, they would not use that name. -- No, the logic does not go like that. Naming the culture ...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-17-2024, 10:58 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Gabru77 Wrote: (05-17-2024, 09:57 AM) -- The "CLV" people have their linguistic origins in the Early Aratashan-Aknashen Culture of "South of Caucasus" Target: RUS_Progress-Vonyuchka_LN P-Value: 0...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-17-2024, 10:48 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Alanarchae Wrote: -- For me there are too many things that fit well a western entry c.3000BC to be coincidence. And I accept there may have been some gene flow by an eastern route too but there is ju...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-17-2024, 10:44 PM
    Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...

Ebizur Wrote: -- I would say that N-P43 as a whole would be better considered as a member of a hypothetical Proto-Uralic-speaking population than as a member of a specifically Proto-Samoyedic-speakin...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 32 2,159 05-17-2024, 05:33 PM
    Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...

Kolompar Wrote: -- Actually makes the most sense that they would have Turkic ancestry, the half million Yakuts nearby didn't come from nothing. Todzin are from Tuva, should be a good proxy for the or...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 32 2,159 05-16-2024, 02:30 AM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Targaryen Wrote: -- It's the eastern route, because as I wrote the rest of the DNA is Mesopotomian, not Balkanian or local Anatolian. This implies an eastern route. -- When the steppe ancestry is dil...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-13-2024, 11:26 AM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

jdean Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:42 AM) -- Jaska Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:05 AM) -- targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM) -- We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. ...
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Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-12-2024, 08:24 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM) -- We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. That seals the deal. Proto-Anatolians were CLVs who mixed with Mesopotamians and...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-12-2024, 11:05 AM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

parasar Wrote: (05-10-2024, 08:58 PM) -- https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A3714602/view PROTO-INDO-ANATOLIAN, THE “ANATOLIAN SPLIT” AND THE “ANATOLIAN TREK”: A COMPA...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-11-2024, 11:09 AM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

old europe Wrote: (05-08-2024, 04:51 PM) -- we now know the exact reason why anatolian languages were outliers among IE. 1) It is because they were spoken by populations rooted in the Progress clu...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,264 05-08-2024, 08:03 PM
    Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...

Kolompar Wrote: -- I replied to Angles making the comparison. Hungarians are a very rare case, possibly the only one, having their language's ancestry diluted so much. I don't know why we would assum...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 32 2,159 04-27-2024, 10:22 AM
    Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...

Kolompar Wrote: -- It's always been clear what happened there, and that they are the exception to the rule, and now we have concrete genetic evidence too. I don't see how the case of a few hundred Ng...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 32 2,159 04-25-2024, 09:28 PM
    Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...

I checked the composition of the Early Iron Age Minino NEO538 in Allentoft et al. 2024: In supp. table IX, Deep: MiddleDon_7500BP = 0,653 Caucasus_13000BP_10000BP = 0,072 Boncuklu_10000BP = 0,0...
Jaska
Jaska
Ancient (aDNA) 32 2,159 04-23-2024, 06:56 PM