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    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

One of the key points for the Russian Steppes being the PIE urheimat used to be the link between IE and Uralic but this doesn't seem to be brought up anymore, is it no longer considered a reliable arg...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-25-2024, 08:35 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

qijia Wrote: (05-20-2024, 05:12 PM) -- I think Proto Indo-Anatolia people had just PIE/PIA words, not speaking PIE. The EHG/CHG people absorbed the words from the Indo-Anatolian people, then speaking...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-20-2024, 05:33 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

alanarchae Wrote: (05-20-2024, 04:44 PM) -- as with all papers in this kind of field, it’s already out of date but it gives an v good summary of why neither Indo Anatolian or core IE could have devel...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-20-2024, 05:25 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Colin Renfrew conceding Marija Gimbutas was right : ) (https://youtu.be/pmv3J55bdZc?t=664)
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-19-2024, 06:46 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

alanarchae Wrote: (05-19-2024, 01:08 PM) -- R.Rocca Wrote: (05-18-2024, 07:38 PM) -- R.Rocca Wrote: (05-18-2024, 02:01 PM) -- According to the paper, only the "Core Yamnaya" genetic group expanded ...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-19-2024, 01:36 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 08:17 PM) -- Kale Wrote: (05-13-2024, 07:27 PM) -- targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 07:03 PM) -- Mate, like was mentioned before, we have IBD sharing between CLVs and Mes...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-13-2024, 10:04 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

A poster on Eurogenes mentioned a caravan route in Anatolia and thought it pertinent in the Anatolian debate, I'd love to be able to give due credit but it was a while back and my memory has failed me...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-13-2024, 06:13 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Kale Wrote: (05-13-2024, 02:11 PM) -- Vinitharya Wrote: (05-13-2024, 12:30 PM) -- Anatolian from the east makes zero sense.  First of all, there are zero proven migrations of Indo-European people th...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-13-2024, 03:00 PM
    Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

Jaska Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:05 AM) -- targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM) -- We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. That seals the deal. Proto-Anatolians we...
jdean
jdean
Ancient (aDNA) 345 25,250 05-12-2024, 11:42 AM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-11-2024, 11:00 PM) -- As I recall Lazaridis et al argue that Proto-Anatolian moved from the steppe over the Caucasus and then into Anatolia from the east, but then the Anatolian...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-12-2024, 09:01 AM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-11-2024, 10:10 PM) -- jdean Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:00 PM) -- Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypu...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-11-2024, 10:37 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

old europe Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:33 PM) -- That is a very good news indeed. I can’t wait for Eurogenes to weigh in on the recent harward paper. When this will happen Lazaridis and Reich flee or take...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-11-2024, 10:04 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

I think this (https://www-yuksekovahaber-com-tr.translate.goog/haber/prof-dr-sevket-donmez-3-bin-yil-once-turk-adi-bile-yoktu-204623.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp) also v...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-11-2024, 08:42 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

old europe Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:04 PM) -- jdean Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:00 PM) -- Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypu...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-11-2024, 08:20 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A3714602/view) is now available online ...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-11-2024, 08:00 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Anglesqueville Wrote: (05-07-2024, 06:24 AM) -- Sephesakueu Wrote: (05-06-2024, 11:06 PM) -- rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-06-2024, 07:58 PM) -- Here's how: I don't usually read the J subforum stuff. I bar...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-07-2024, 04:03 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

RCO Wrote: (05-06-2024, 08:54 PM) -- Corded Ware and Bell Beaker were Indo-Europeanized local populations  -- ????? : )
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-07-2024, 03:04 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Think it might be an idea to stop bringing up posters haplogroups as if it makes some sort of difference.
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-06-2024, 04:31 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

Kaltmeister Wrote: (05-03-2024, 09:18 PM) -- But this pattern appears to be typical for Indoeuropean societies. -- Be a tad surprised if this was only typical to IE, it sounds very human to me.
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-03-2024, 09:52 PM
    Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024

J2a could have been involved in the formation of PIE, as could lots of other haplogroups, clearly L51 and R1a weren't big players but nevertheless they were the groups that ended up spreading Late PIE...
jdean
jdean
R1b-L51 430 16,124 05-03-2024, 02:46 PM