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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (10-10-2024, 10:20 AM)
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-10-2024, 10:09 AM)
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (10-10-2024, 10:01 AM)
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Not sure why you are so hard headed? We have had this argument ... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-10-2024, 04:36 PM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-10-2024, 11:02 AM)
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (10-10-2024, 10:30 AM)
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-10-2024, 10:23 AM)
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I guess I’m just an aspy splitter, not a lumper. Yes L283 entered B... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-10-2024, 04:30 PM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
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Polska Wrote: (10-10-2024, 02:50 AM)
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The other branch, J2b L283*, ventured south with the Proto Indo Anatolian expansion to Armenia and Eastern/Central Turkey (4200-4000 BCE).
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This is interes... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-10-2024, 05:42 AM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
| The only pervasive lineage of the Yamnaya was R1b-L23+. Some version of it was guaranteed to be everywhere.
J2B2-L283, I2 and R1a were regional. J2B2-L283 was only in some southern Yamnaya close to... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-10-2024, 05:37 AM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-09-2024, 10:03 PM)
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targaryen Wrote: (10-09-2024, 03:42 PM)
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It's hilarious how many people have a problem with J2B2-L283 being a part of Yamnaya. Agendas ahoy.
We literall... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-10-2024, 01:50 AM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
| It's hilarious how many people have a problem with J2B2-L283 being a part of Yamnaya. Agendas ahoy.
We literally have a guy buried in the same grave as R1b Yamnaya, with the same autosomal DNA as ... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-09-2024, 03:42 PM |
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Thread: J2b-L283
Post: RE: J2b-L283
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GHurier Wrote: (10-07-2024, 02:49 PM)
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4) You claim that J-L283 diversified in the steppe among Yamnayan around 3600-3400 BCE.
I rather claim that J-L283 (from Z622 to Z585 levels) present a gigan... |
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targaryen |
J2b-M12
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10-07-2024, 09:20 PM |
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Thread: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
Post: RE: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
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Riverman Wrote: (10-04-2024, 10:30 AM)
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-04-2024, 10:17 AM)
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Im not weighing in the the debates about E-V13 & Illyrians, but that's^ the Roman Prefecture of Illyricum . Differ... |
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targaryen |
E1b1b-M215
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10-04-2024, 08:45 PM |
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Thread: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
Post: RE: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
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CowboyHG Wrote: (10-04-2024, 10:17 AM)
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targaryen Wrote: (10-04-2024, 01:02 AM)
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Riverman Wrote: (10-02-2024, 11:28 PM)
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I'd say that we can use these Himeran samples as a reference as to how... |
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targaryen |
E1b1b-M215
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10-04-2024, 04:14 PM |
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Thread: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
Post: RE: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
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Gill LaGoon Wrote: (10-04-2024, 03:22 AM)
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Given that the area was so large, there had to other ethnic groups living side by side ? Especially in the central \ north central area we're discussing.... |
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targaryen |
E1b1b-M215
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10-04-2024, 04:10 PM |
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Thread: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
Post: RE: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
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Riverman Wrote: (10-02-2024, 11:28 PM)
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I'd say that we can use these Himeran samples as a reference as to how these Northern-Central Balkan groups of E-V13, dominated by E-Z5017, looked like autos... |
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targaryen |
E1b1b-M215
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10-04-2024, 01:02 AM |
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Thread: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
Post: RE: E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data
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Gill LaGoon Wrote: (10-03-2024, 06:33 PM)
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On the subject of the Himera mercenaries, I understand that the amount of WHG sets them apart from other Balkan peoples, also, don't they have a Baltic ad... |
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targaryen |
E1b1b-M215
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10-04-2024, 12:57 AM |
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Thread: Albanian Discussion Thread
Post: RE: Albanian Discussion Thread
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corrigendum Wrote: (10-02-2024, 11:19 PM)
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targaryen Wrote: (10-02-2024, 11:07 PM)
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Wow, did we get our first Gothic lineage?
I was going to suggest maybe it was brought down by Slavic migratio... |
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targaryen |
Southern
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10-03-2024, 12:00 AM |
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Thread: Albanian Discussion Thread
Post: RE: Albanian Discussion Thread
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Kelmendasi Wrote: (10-02-2024, 10:45 PM)
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Some interesting updates in regards to Albanian R1b branches:
1) A sample from the village of Oblikë e Sipërme (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Oblik... |
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targaryen |
Southern
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10-02-2024, 11:07 PM |
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Thread: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded Ware males taking Yamnaya women
Post: RE: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded ...
| I don't understand what he's going on about... R1b-L51 and R1b-Z2103 are sibling clades, coming from the same Eneolithic group of people. Most of Western Europe derives from R1b-L51. I could understan... |
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targaryen |
Ancient (aDNA)
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09-30-2024, 04:14 AM |
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Thread: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded Ware males taking Yamnaya women
Post: RE: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded ...
| Another thing I take issue with, is Reich talking about Yamnaya "failing" at the Danube or something. He said "they couldn't get past there" as if though that was their goal. The southern Yamnaya obvi... |
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targaryen |
Ancient (aDNA)
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09-29-2024, 06:23 AM |
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Thread: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded Ware males taking Yamnaya women
Post: RE: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded ...
| Let's get something straight. Before the Corded Ware cultures, R1a has never been a major Y-DNA ANYWHERE. R1b has always been the more dominant cousin, even amongst HGs. Probably outnumbered it 10 to ... |
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targaryen |
Ancient (aDNA)
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09-27-2024, 06:18 PM |
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Thread: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded Ware males taking Yamnaya women
Post: RE: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded ...
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CowboyHG Wrote: (09-27-2024, 12:37 PM)
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I am starting to think that women were the glue of early PIE, as there are so many male clans of diverse origin mixing in.
But obviously the link between Y... |
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targaryen |
Ancient (aDNA)
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09-27-2024, 03:00 PM |
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Thread: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded Ware males taking Yamnaya women
Post: RE: David Reich: steppe ancestry spread by Corded ...
| The only pure linguistic attempt to bifurcate PIE was centum/satem and that aligns very poorly with Yamnaya/CW. Tocharian later threw this out the window.
My view on Y-DNA has always been the same: b... |
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targaryen |
Ancient (aDNA)
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09-27-2024, 02:56 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (09-25-2024, 09:13 PM)
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I wonder how long it will take the big names in ancient DNA research to realize that R-L51 has been found in Yamnaya. Not only that, but it has been found ... |
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targaryen |
R1b-L51
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09-26-2024, 02:18 AM |
