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Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - East Anglian - 03-11-2024
Recorded ancestry gathered from past 40 years of research. Well referenced, most of it local. Well supported by DNA matches (genetic genealogy). Percentages are from Generation 6 (3 x great grandparents) 97% of which were SE English, mainly Norfolk East Anglian (plus East Midlands and Oxfordshire) and 3% was Swiss born.
Yes, I do have that exotic yDNA haplogroup, but that is way back.
RE: Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - Jalisciense - 03-11-2024
Good results! And I liked the table, did you do it in excel? Or what program?
What origin does your haplogroup have or where is it from?
RE: Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - East Anglian - 03-11-2024
(03-11-2024, 10:08 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: Good results! And I liked the table, did you do it in excel? Or what program?
What origin does your haplogroup have or where is it from?
Google Sheets.
yDNA - as in the personal column, L-FGC51036. Closest matches are another South English family. Above that at L-SK1414, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, Turkmenistan, Pakistan.
A similar L on L-M349 recently turned up in a medieval Cambridgeshire cemetery. We L's are rare but we get about.
RE: Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - Rufus191 - 03-11-2024
(03-11-2024, 10:14 PM)East Anglian Wrote:Can I ask what the 6% on Ancestry is, French, German, or Dutch(03-11-2024, 10:08 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: Good results! And I liked the table, did you do it in excel? Or what program?
What origin does your haplogroup have or where is it from?
Google Sheets.
yDNA - as in the personal column, L-FGC51036. Closest matches are another South English family. Above that at L-SK1414, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, Turkmenistan, Pakistan.
A similar L on L-M349 recently turned up in a medieval Cambridgeshire cemetery. We L's are rare but we get about.
? Norwich is known to have both a large influx of Flemish weavers and slightly later French Huguenots.
RE: Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - East Anglian - 03-11-2024
(03-11-2024, 10:31 PM)Rufus191 Wrote:(03-11-2024, 10:14 PM)East Anglian Wrote:Can I ask what the 6% on Ancestry is, French, German, or Dutch(03-11-2024, 10:08 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: Good results! And I liked the table, did you do it in excel? Or what program?
What origin does your haplogroup have or where is it from?
Google Sheets.
yDNA - as in the personal column, L-FGC51036. Closest matches are another South English family. Above that at L-SK1414, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, Turkmenistan, Pakistan.
A similar L on L-M349 recently turned up in a medieval Cambridgeshire cemetery. We L's are rare but we get about.
Ancestry's 'Germanic World' described as Austria, Belgium, Czech, France, Hungary, Lux, Slovenia, Switzerland.
Yes, East Anglia has always had links with Flems, the Dutch Strangers, Huguenots, etc. In a sense, the Anglo-Danish settlement never totally stopped. Medieval documents record Flemish harvest workers arriving following 1348. Their fishing and trading boats were always here. Even my grandfather was a farm worker for a Dutch Sugar Beet coop. They remapped the local landscape. Post medieval Dutch engineers drained parts of the Fens.
The DNA companies cannot separate SE English from other Continental NW European. 23andme is horrendous for us, and I suspect that its British & Irish dataset is Irish, or even Irish-American. Living DNA should be better but isn't. Ancestry resolves it by including England with 'NW Europe'. Otherwise East Anglians get a chunk of Germanic and Scandinavian.
RE: Update of comparison between autosomal DNA tests and recorded ancestry - Rufus191 - 03-14-2024
(03-11-2024, 10:43 PM)East Anglian Wrote:(03-11-2024, 10:31 PM)Rufus191 Wrote:(03-11-2024, 10:14 PM)East Anglian Wrote:Can I ask what the 6% on Ancestry is, French, German, or Dutch(03-11-2024, 10:08 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: Good results! And I liked the table, did you do it in excel? Or what program?
What origin does your haplogroup have or where is it from?
Google Sheets.
yDNA - as in the personal column, L-FGC51036. Closest matches are another South English family. Above that at L-SK1414, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Lebanon, Turkmenistan, Pakistan.
A similar L on L-M349 recently turned up in a medieval Cambridgeshire cemetery. We L's are rare but we get about.
Ancestry's 'Germanic World' described as Austria, Belgium, Czech, France, Hungary, Lux, Slovenia, Switzerland.
Yes, East Anglia has always had links with Flems, the Dutch Strangers, Huguenots, etc. In a sense, the Anglo-Danish settlement never totally stopped. Medieval documents record Flemish harvest workers arriving following 1348. Their fishing and trading boats were always here. Even my grandfather was a farm worker for a Dutch Sugar Beet coop. They remapped the local landscape. Post medieval Dutch engineers drained parts of the Fens.
The DNA companies cannot separate SE English from other Continental NW European. 23andme is horrendous for us, and I suspect that its British & Irish dataset is Irish, or even Irish-American. Living DNA should be better but isn't. Ancestry resolves it by including England with 'NW Europe'. Otherwise East Anglians get a chunk of Germanic and Scandinavian.
Interesting point about the Anglo-Danish settlement never stopping in the area! I suppose you could argue it a little similar to Kent with the Huguenot settlement in Canterbury and further to the west, was a continuation of likely Norman and more ancient continental migrations. A Dutchman, Cornelius Vermuyden was the man who led the first efforts to drain the Fens I believe, something about it here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventurers_(land_drainage)
I think in order to separate the SE English from Dutch, northern French, Belgian, NW Germans would require subtantial efforts and funding to create studies on similar lines to the People of the British Isles study and the Ireland DNA Atlas. I used to think the Normans were mostly Scandinavian, but if you look at the history of the region and pedigrees of prominent Normans, you realise that simply was not the case, indeed William the Conquerer had far more Breton ancestry than Scandinavian. And before the Normans arrived there, you had extensive settlement of Anglo-Saxons in the 3rd-5th centuries who presumably would also have later been absorbed into the Norman genepool. Interestingly on my own DNA matches, I have often found people who have high Norfolk/Suffolk ancestry to have high Scandinavian- this person is basically a reference sample for Norfolk/north Suffolk:
77% England & Northwestern Europe - East Anglia and Eastern Norfolk and Suffolk regions
19% Sweden & Denmark
4% Norway